Comments for So-Cons For Rudy Blog http://soconsforrudy.wordpress.com Just another WordPress.com weblog Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:54:31 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on Will James Dobson Split the GOP? by Pauli http://soconsforrudy.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/will-james-dobson-split-the-gop/#comment-200 Pauli Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:54:31 +0000 http://soconsforrudy.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/will-james-dobson-split-the-gop/#comment-200 I make the point in comments <a href="http://contrapauli.blogspot.com/2007/10/primaries-vs-tertiaries.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> that it's really the <i>other guys</i> splitting the GOP more so than Rudy. For example, if McCain would just finally quit and endorse Fred Thompson it would tip the scales considerably, as would the departure of other "vanity" candidates such as the increasingly embarrassing Sam Brownback, Tommy Thompson and Duncan Hunter (who is a good enough guy, but has no campaign.) But someone pointed out that, yeah, they need to quit, but they probably won't. OK -- so socons shouldn't blame Rudy, call him arrogant or grouse about his success until they've asked themselves the question "What the hell are these other folks doing?" I make the point in comments here that it’s really the other guys splitting the GOP more so than Rudy. For example, if McCain would just finally quit and endorse Fred Thompson it would tip the scales considerably, as would the departure of other “vanity” candidates such as the increasingly embarrassing Sam Brownback, Tommy Thompson and Duncan Hunter (who is a good enough guy, but has no campaign.)

But someone pointed out that, yeah, they need to quit, but they probably won’t. OK — so socons shouldn’t blame Rudy, call him arrogant or grouse about his success until they’ve asked themselves the question “What the hell are these other folks doing?”

]]> Comment on Democrats Court Conservative Evangelical Voters by Greg http://soconsforrudy.wordpress.com/2007/09/25/democrats-court-conservative-evangelical-voters/#comment-106 Greg Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:19:00 +0000 http://soconsforrudy.wordpress.com/2007/09/25/democrats-court-conservative-evangelical-voters/#comment-106 Essentially, there's a wing of social conservatism that relies heavily upon politics and the authority of the state to impose a moral order or ethos upon American society. These might be dubbed "big government social conservatives." It's hoped that the 2008 election will be one where the Republican party is rescued from moralistic statists, and Christianity in this country is rescued from political hacks. Essentially, there’s a wing of social conservatism that relies heavily upon politics and the authority of the state to impose a moral order or ethos upon American society. These might be dubbed “big government social conservatives.”

It’s hoped that the 2008 election will be one where the Republican party is rescued from moralistic statists, and Christianity in this country is rescued from political hacks.

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]]> Comment on Ward Cleaver For President 2008? by Debbie http://soconsforrudy.wordpress.com/2007/08/10/ward-cleaver-for-president-2008/#comment-94 Debbie Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:35:45 +0000 http://soconsforrudy.wordpress.com/2007/08/10/ward-cleaver-for-president-2008/#comment-94 Amen and thank you for this piece...I can only hope that many many others will read this... As someone who lives 2 hours from NYC and has gone every year a couple times a year for the past 25 years...the difference in NYC before and after Rudy was nothing short of a miracle....this is THE ONLY man who can lead this country and I pray that social conservatives don't botch this up and nominate someone else...He is also the only Republican who can beat Hillary Clinton...and the she and the Democrats well know this..... Amen and thank you for this piece…I can only hope that many many others will read this… As someone who lives 2 hours from NYC and has gone every year a couple times a year for the past 25 years…the difference in NYC before and after Rudy was nothing short of a miracle….this is THE ONLY man who can lead this country and I pray that social conservatives don’t botch this up and nominate someone else…He is also the only Republican who can beat Hillary Clinton…and the she and the Democrats well know this…..

]]> Comment on Fred Thompson’s State of Mind by soconsforrudy http://soconsforrudy.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/fred-thompsons-state-of-mind/#comment-90 soconsforrudy Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:31:08 +0000 http://soconsforrudy.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/fred-thompsons-state-of-mind/#comment-90 Zach, I see where you're coming from, but I take issue with a couple of your premises. First, the idea that economic inopportunity is the root of social problems, is, I believe, flawed. Economic inopportunity clearly amplifies already existing social problems, but they are hardly the root. It's the same rationale that people on September 12, 2001 assumed made Saudis and Palestinians and Afghanis into lethal Islamic ideological terrorists--the same rationale that has been debunked in recent months, as Glasgow doctors and others of equal economic opportunity have taken to Islamic extremism and violence. New York City, I believe, is a prime example of this. Rampant crime, racial tensions, and drug use were only intensified while liberal mayors loaded on more and more taxpayer-funded social programs. It wasn't until Rudy Giuliani entered City Hall and tackled the problems as a matter of law enforcement that real change was seen. I believe the matter is exactly the opposite of what you suggest: The root of economic opportunity is social order. Social order must be established before people will feel comfortable going to work, taking financial risks, and saving/investing their money. The other notion I take issue with is the idea that lax gun control laws are the root of gun crime. The best gun control is the gun control that keeps guns out of the hands of criminals and puts more guns in the hand of upstanding, law-abiding citizens. This was exactly the approach Rudy Giuliani took as Mayor of New York, and that's why he was able to take a city that had been the crime capital of America for so long, and within 8 short years, make it the safest large city in America. It's not because he just blindly took away any guns he could find as most liberal gun control measures do, it's because he specifically targeted taking guns away from criminals and allowing law-abiding citizens to defend themselves. Just look at places like England and Australia, whose violent crime rates skyrocketed after they instituted strict gun control laws (laws that were only followed by law abiding citizens, not criminals, leaving a population of armed criminals and unarmed innocents) in stark contrast with America, whose violent crime has been historically low. I don't so much disagree with Fred Thompson on the subject of gun rights (although I think he presented a very narrow-minded perspective of NYC's situation) as I do with his melodramatic, half-truth-filled accusations against NYC and its Mayors. Zach,

I see where you’re coming from, but I take issue with a couple of your premises. First, the idea that economic inopportunity is the root of social problems, is, I believe, flawed. Economic inopportunity clearly amplifies already existing social problems, but they are hardly the root. It’s the same rationale that people on September 12, 2001 assumed made Saudis and Palestinians and Afghanis into lethal Islamic ideological terrorists–the same rationale that has been debunked in recent months, as Glasgow doctors and others of equal economic opportunity have taken to Islamic extremism and violence.

New York City, I believe, is a prime example of this. Rampant crime, racial tensions, and drug use were only intensified while liberal mayors loaded on more and more taxpayer-funded social programs. It wasn’t until Rudy Giuliani entered City Hall and tackled the problems as a matter of law enforcement that real change was seen. I believe the matter is exactly the opposite of what you suggest: The root of economic opportunity is social order. Social order must be established before people will feel comfortable going to work, taking financial risks, and saving/investing their money.

The other notion I take issue with is the idea that lax gun control laws are the root of gun crime. The best gun control is the gun control that keeps guns out of the hands of criminals and puts more guns in the hand of upstanding, law-abiding citizens. This was exactly the approach Rudy Giuliani took as Mayor of New York, and that’s why he was able to take a city that had been the crime capital of America for so long, and within 8 short years, make it the safest large city in America. It’s not because he just blindly took away any guns he could find as most liberal gun control measures do, it’s because he specifically targeted taking guns away from criminals and allowing law-abiding citizens to defend themselves. Just look at places like England and Australia, whose violent crime rates skyrocketed after they instituted strict gun control laws (laws that were only followed by law abiding citizens, not criminals, leaving a population of armed criminals and unarmed innocents) in stark contrast with America, whose violent crime has been historically low.

I don’t so much disagree with Fred Thompson on the subject of gun rights (although I think he presented a very narrow-minded perspective of NYC’s situation) as I do with his melodramatic, half-truth-filled accusations against NYC and its Mayors.

]]> Comment on Fred Thompson’s State of Mind by Zach Marks http://soconsforrudy.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/fred-thompsons-state-of-mind/#comment-88 Zach Marks Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:38:17 +0000 http://soconsforrudy.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/fred-thompsons-state-of-mind/#comment-88 Our lax gun control laws have enabled dealers to flood urban areas with. How can making it easier for, say, malicious crack kingpins to get their hands on guns be a step in the right direction? I argue in my op-ed on the <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zach-marks/give-them-uzis-and-watch-_b_61474.html" rel="nofollow">Huffington Post</a>today that while the way to get to the root of most social problems is to provide economic opportunity, it’s foolish to repeal gun control laws. Check it out <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zach-marks/give-them-uzis-and-watch-_b_61474.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>and please share your comments. Our lax gun control laws have enabled dealers to flood urban areas with. How can making it easier for, say, malicious crack kingpins to get their hands on guns be a step in the right direction? I argue in my op-ed on the Huffington Posttoday that while the way to get to the root of most social problems is to provide economic opportunity, it’s foolish to repeal gun control laws. Check it out hereand please share your comments.

]]> Comment on Fred Thompson’s State of Mind by Leif Rakur http://soconsforrudy.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/fred-thompsons-state-of-mind/#comment-87 Leif Rakur Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:31:17 +0000 http://soconsforrudy.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/fred-thompsons-state-of-mind/#comment-87 Fred is obviously a charter member of Guns Unlimited. Rudy lately sounds a little like he might want to join. Fred is obviously a charter member of Guns Unlimited. Rudy lately sounds a little like he might want to join.

]]> Comment on Fred Thompson’s State of Mind by soconsforrudy http://soconsforrudy.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/fred-thompsons-state-of-mind/#comment-86 soconsforrudy Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:30:00 +0000 http://soconsforrudy.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/fred-thompsons-state-of-mind/#comment-86 Winghunter: I never said NYC's gun laws weren't a little bit too much for my taste, but you've failed to show me how any of them are unreasonable. If a New Yorker needs to buy a gun, they may have to jump through a couple more hoops than they would in other places, but they are still just as able to get one as folks anywhere else in America. The only thing truly ignorant and asinine I've seen so far is Fred Thompson's melodramatic drivelings about how horrible NYC supposedly is. Jeff: The only thing I now realize I wrongly stated in that sentence is "Supreme Court ruling" (it was actually a federal court of appeals ruling, my bad ... though D.C. is trying to take it to the Supreme Court level). Other than that, I don't know what you're talking about. See here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/09/AR2007030902416.html Laugh4achange: Cute. Winghunter: I never said NYC’s gun laws weren’t a little bit too much for my taste, but you’ve failed to show me how any of them are unreasonable. If a New Yorker needs to buy a gun, they may have to jump through a couple more hoops than they would in other places, but they are still just as able to get one as folks anywhere else in America. The only thing truly ignorant and asinine I’ve seen so far is Fred Thompson’s melodramatic drivelings about how horrible NYC supposedly is.

Jeff: The only thing I now realize I wrongly stated in that sentence is “Supreme Court ruling” (it was actually a federal court of appeals ruling, my bad … though D.C. is trying to take it to the Supreme Court level). Other than that, I don’t know what you’re talking about. See here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/09/AR2007030902416.html

Laugh4achange: Cute.

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